i heard it's pretty much down to john kerry. and that in terms of other big changes, i heard different things about holder but i did hear that janet napolitano is very interested in taking that job if he left. probably the white house chief of staff is leaving. perhaps he would end up at treasury. >> bret: jack lew. >> john knives a former boss of mine is talked about as a chief of staff. excellent choice. those are probably the big changes. >> bret: what about defense? steve? if panetta leaves. >> yeah, i don't know. there are a lot of people who would be up for consideration for secretary of defense. i don't think if you look at the world the way i do, leon panetta is probably a good person to have at defense. hillary clinton leaving the obama administration to extent that the cabinet secretaries really affect the way, the direction, the strategic direction of the obama administration, she is a good person to have at the state department. you are likely given the way that the president has governed, given his world view and on